The Dark Knight
2008
Why So Serious?
Batman and James Gordon join forces with Gotham's new District Attorney, Harvey Dent, to take on a psychotic bank robber known as The Joker, whilst other forces plot against them, and Joker's crimes grow more and more deadly.
Watch it for Heath Ledger's rendition of the Joker. Fast-forward through the rest.
thenewlow said 1 year ago
I totally agree with Kate. The psychology of the Joker is that he finds comfort in seeing "evil" in other people. It probably makes him feel less of a freak, less of a failure. I also believe it's why he doesn't want to kill Batman - because that would make him (Batman) a martyr.
nilsth said 2 years ago
nilsth said 2 years ago
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i personally find sylar annoying because i believe the actor who portrays him is terrible.
anyway, i can't speak for other versions of the joker, but here is my take on the joker from tdk:
yes, he is clearly mentally ill, (to a point), which indeed plays a part in why he did things the way he did them. but also, based on half of his dialogue, and his physical scars, its obvious that somewhere along the line he was treated so mercilessly that he loathed anyone who claimed to be genuinely good. that notion no longer existed to him.
the joker was out to prove that everyone is capable of evil, and it doesn't take much to break it's dormancy in any one person. why do you think he pulled the stunt with the two ships? (even though it ended up backfiring on him) or the entire two-face scenario?? he wanted to prove that there is no such thing as a truly altruistic person, and that people don't always have virtuous volition, even if they convince themselves that they do. (like dent with the one sided coin)
the joker was so sick over harvey's and batman's saintly public personas that he decided to try and extract from them what he thought to be their (and in his mind everyone's) true nature.
so in the end, i don't think his character can be written off as just crazy or silly. i think he had a reason and a purpose the entire time. if he was simply anything of the former and nothing else, he would merely be the postal worker who woke up one morning and decided to climb up into the tower, shooting people left and right.
if put in the character's shoes i believe that its understandable why he behaved the way he did. kate said 2 years ago
anyway, i can't speak for other versions of the joker, but here is my take on the joker from tdk:
yes, he is clearly mentally ill, (to a point), which indeed plays a part in why he did things the way he did them. but also, based on half of his dialogue, and his physical scars, its obvious that somewhere along the line he was treated so mercilessly that he loathed anyone who claimed to be genuinely good. that notion no longer existed to him.
the joker was out to prove that everyone is capable of evil, and it doesn't take much to break it's dormancy in any one person. why do you think he pulled the stunt with the two ships? (even though it ended up backfiring on him) or the entire two-face scenario?? he wanted to prove that there is no such thing as a truly altruistic person, and that people don't always have virtuous volition, even if they convince themselves that they do. (like dent with the one sided coin)
the joker was so sick over harvey's and batman's saintly public personas that he decided to try and extract from them what he thought to be their (and in his mind everyone's) true nature.
so in the end, i don't think his character can be written off as just crazy or silly. i think he had a reason and a purpose the entire time. if he was simply anything of the former and nothing else, he would merely be the postal worker who woke up one morning and decided to climb up into the tower, shooting people left and right.
if put in the character's shoes i believe that its understandable why he behaved the way he did. kate said 2 years ago
Spoiler warning on this comment by kate! Want to see it?
I haven`t seen this movie, but I agree with Betamonk in general. I`m no fan of the Joker as a character because is just evil and crazy basically. Alan Moore tried to bring som depth into the character, and it worked pretty good, but every other incarnation of the Joker is just too out there to work.
morningstar said 2 years ago
True, that's why I didn't like the fact that the Joker was in it. :) That being said, if you are to have a genuine "bad guy" like the Joker is, do it like they did here! There was a kind of purpose behind his madness so to speak, which makes it far better than most movies.
Well, for anyone that has seen Farscape, that is the perfect example of what I like. The main "bad guys" are portrayed in manners that makes you understand why they are bad. And they aren't "ultrabad" to the point that seems silly, they are just a little more towards the "bad" side, and you could actually imagine yourself considering behaving in the same way given the background and circumstances.
Oh well, I guess you can't have that in most movies. Sometimes people like to hate characters I guess, I just don't. Kind of like Sylar in Heroes, another mighty antagonist that annoys me more than he intrigues me. Betamonk said 2 years ago
Well, for anyone that has seen Farscape, that is the perfect example of what I like. The main "bad guys" are portrayed in manners that makes you understand why they are bad. And they aren't "ultrabad" to the point that seems silly, they are just a little more towards the "bad" side, and you could actually imagine yourself considering behaving in the same way given the background and circumstances.
Oh well, I guess you can't have that in most movies. Sometimes people like to hate characters I guess, I just don't. Kind of like Sylar in Heroes, another mighty antagonist that annoys me more than he intrigues me. Betamonk said 2 years ago
Fair enough. I don't think I've ever been able to relate to the antagonist in an action movie, doesn't bother me. I just don't think they're meant to be all that plausible. Plus, a Batman movie with the Joker wouldn't have made much sense if it was a toned-down affair like Batman Begins.
shah said 2 years ago
Wow, truly disappointing...
I first expected to hat this due to the "cartoon"-antagonist, which I can very rarely appreciate. Then everyone convinced me that it was great even if there was a stupid antagonist in the movie, so I was looking very much forward to it.
Then I saw it and found that while Ledger did a great job, I still can't stand these totally far-out antagonists in movies. I just can't relate, I just can't see it as plausible, it just annoys me and ruins the movies.. Apart from that, it was kind of bland.
I guess I'm alone on this, but Batman Begins was a far superior movie to this one in my opinion. Betamonk said 2 years ago
I first expected to hat this due to the "cartoon"-antagonist, which I can very rarely appreciate. Then everyone convinced me that it was great even if there was a stupid antagonist in the movie, so I was looking very much forward to it.
Then I saw it and found that while Ledger did a great job, I still can't stand these totally far-out antagonists in movies. I just can't relate, I just can't see it as plausible, it just annoys me and ruins the movies.. Apart from that, it was kind of bland.
I guess I'm alone on this, but Batman Begins was a far superior movie to this one in my opinion. Betamonk said 2 years ago
Indeed a really great movie and i must say Heath Ledger made the movie so great.
Clifford said 2 years ago
Great movie in the superhero genre with a long-lasting impact, but slightly better than average as a regular movie.
Nekyia said 2 years ago
epic.
kate said 2 years ago
- Directed by: Christopher Nolan.
- Written by: Christopher Nolan, David S. Goyer, Jonathan Nolan, Christopher Nolan and Bob Kane.
- Produced by: Jordan Goldberg, Karl McMillan, Benjamin Melniker, Christopher Nolan, Charles Roven, Emma Thomas, Thomas Tull, Michael E. Uslan and Kevin De La Noy.
- Starring: Michael Caine, Heath Ledger, Maggie Gyllenhaal, Gary Oldman, Morgan Freeman, Eric Roberts, Aaron Eckhart, Cillian Murphy, Anthony Michael Hall, Monique Curnen, Nestor Carbonell, Joshua Harto, Michael Jai White, Chucky Venice, Nydia Rodriguez Terracina, Melinda McGraw, Nathan Gamble, Danny Goldring, Chin Han, Sarah Jayne Dunn, William Fichtner, Vincenzo Nicoli, Beatrice Rosen, Ritchie Coster and Christian Bale.
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